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    Esquires
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    WELCOME TO THE NEW 'FREE NURSING CARE' FORUM!

    Post by Esquires on Thu 26 Feb 2009 - 12:02

    Welcome to the new 'free nursing care' forum which replaces the old MSN message board and many thanks to Stephen Johnson who has set this up and also created the new www.continuingcarecampaign.info website. This is not yet complete as I still have to produce a new home page which will provide all the initial advice and information required to set NHS continuing care claimants on the right track! The objective of the campaign is simple: To compel the government to obey the law and provide NHS care 'free at the point of need' in accordance with the 1946 National Health Service Act. Now please use this forum to tell others of the 'endless deliberate delay, prevarication, procrastination and sheer bloody-minded intransigence' which you encounter when dealing with NHS and Social Services staff. Postings must of course be 'on topic', factual and must not enable particular individuals to be identified. Steve (Esquires)


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    Pussycat

    Hi and Thank You

    Post by Pussycat on Thu 26 Feb 2009 - 21:43

    Hi Steve
    Thanks again for being involved in everything regarding the setting up of this new board and all your involvement on the old board.
    I am sure that I speak for everyone when I say you are wonderful to take so much time in helping us all with our quest for our relatives rights to CC and 'fairplay' from the NHS. Also thanks to Robin and all the other folk too.
    Sue cat

    Guest
    Guest

    Hi Steve and everyone

    Post by Guest on Thu 26 Feb 2009 - 23:45

    Many thanks to you & Stephen Johnson for your wonderful, tireless work and looking forward to the group actioning again.
    Can the old info be accessed yet?

    regards

    Pauline Smile

    fimac4

    thanks guys

    Post by fimac4 on Fri 27 Feb 2009 - 11:51

    Thanks for getting this up and running. May take a while to get used to where to look for things etc but so far so good.
    lets hope all of the posters on the last site can find their way to this one and maybe we will be able to help any new viewers who are just finding out about their rights to NHS funded care.
    The best news of all would be if this site became redundant....sadly not the case as yet and not looking likely for quite a while.
    Fimac4

    Jewel19581

    Hi and Thanks

    Post by Jewel19581 on Fri 27 Feb 2009 - 11:57

    I would also like to say a big thank you to Steve Squires, Robin Lovelock, and Stephen Johnson for their great efforts and determination in the face of unscrupulous (putting it mildly) behaviour from the largest organisation in the UK. A big thank you also to Pam Coughlan for inspiring us all. Also thank you to everyone who posts on this forum for sharing their own experiences and helping others.

    Initial impressions of this host site seem to be more favourable than Multiply Very Happy

    Best of luck and best wishes to everyone

    Regards
    Margaret

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    Post by Guest on Fri 27 Feb 2009 - 14:02

    Hi all Smile

    have followed you over from the otherside looks very good, big thanks to Esquires S, johnson and R, lovelock and any one else i may of missed for putting up this new forum

    mick

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Fri 27 Feb 2009 - 18:00

    Hi comrades. Old Ex Pat here from MSN. Fighting for NHS CHC on behalf on my Mum, got to IRP but been refused . Now put into the hands of a specialized Solicitor and will keep you all informed of any progress. " Power to the People !! "

    PedroPete

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    Post by PedroPete on Fri 27 Feb 2009 - 23:24

    Well done Steve Squires, Stephen Johnson for setting up this dedicated BB for NHS Continuing Healthcare. First impressions are good and it seems faily easy to navigate. Once MSN members find it and others are directed to it, may it continue to be inform and help others in their fight for NHS CHC. In due course I will give an update on my journey so far.(started in 1/1/05).

    Peter

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    Post by Guest on Sat 28 Feb 2009 - 6:04

    Hello Everyone,
    Just like to say Big thanks to the lads Steve Squires Stephen Johnson and anyone else involved. The search tool is going to be very handy for digging up past posts. once again big thank's

    From another Stephen.

    Bennyball.

    anorien

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    Post by anorien on Sat 28 Feb 2009 - 9:50

    Many thanks to the Steves and anybody else who has been involved in setting this up, and also to Robin for linking to it from his website (which is how I find you all again, having been somewhat absent from the MSN board of late).

    Cordelia

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    Post by Cordelia on Sat 28 Feb 2009 - 14:42

    Well done everyone, very glad it's up and running again - I felt quite panicky when I saw the final MSN message! Now trying to work out how to put a picture on my profile without my internet security going nuts about something called 'rundl32'- anyone else had that?

    Stephen, your links page is brilliant.

    Cordelia

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Sat 28 Feb 2009 - 16:07

    Hi All. Bennyball I'm interested in your post that there is a search for past [ MSN?] posts. Can you please let me know how we do this ??

    Cheers everyone and WELL DONE to all concerned for expertly moving the site ..........

    Guest
    Guest

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    Post by Guest on Sat 28 Feb 2009 - 18:33

    Well, I've found you all again! Got disconnected ages ago from the old MSN site and for some reason it wouldn't let me back on again (maybe cos I'm a winner?). Now that this forum has been set up I'm no longer a 'watcher' so I hope to chip in where I can as I used to. If it hadn't been for this community I wouldn't have known where to start four years ago. Regards to you all.

    Robin Lovelock

    Robin testing

    Post by Robin Lovelock on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 10:18

    I could do with some simple advice on how to use this message board. I thought I had the hang of it in the first few minutes, after adding my profile and posting three test messages. But I see those messages never appeared as postings. My profile says 0 postings ( at 10am ish Sunday) but there were three test messages, which I can see if I click on "You have no new messages". It looks as if these ended up being messages that I sent to myself :-) Anyway, it looks as if you can include a URL like www.nhscare.info but not paste material including pictures and links from a web page. But first I need to understand how to make a posting on a new topic. I'm doing this one as a reply to one already there.

    Guest
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    Post by Guest on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 10:57

    Hi Robin,

    Have you tried the help forum search. This may answer your question.

    http://help.forumotion.com/

    Regards Steve(Bennyball)

    Guest
    Guest

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    Post by Guest on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 11:51

    bodecia2007 wrote:Hi All. Bennyball I'm interested in your post that there is a search for past [ MSN?] posts. Can you please let me know how we do this ??

    Cheers everyone and WELL DONE to all concerned for expertly moving the site ..........


    Hi Bodecia,
    I'm sorry there is no search for the past MSN Board i think you may have misundersood me. However i managed to save all of the MSN Board from 2003 to 2007 and the rest partly saved.

    Unfortunatley i can't copy and paste them on to this board for members to share and refer back to but i think Stephen Johnson is looking into this.

    The only other way i can think of is sending the files via Email and i would be quite happy to do this if anyones interested but please bear in mind that their are 20 files (MSWord Format) average size between 3 to 6 megs total 94 megabytes.

    Regards Steve(Bennyball)

    Robin Lovelock

    how to post on a new subject

    Post by Robin Lovelock on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 12:12

    Thanks Steve (BennyBall) - those help pages will certainly help Stephen Johnson with things like setting up a banner, etc. However, there are lots of things, including in the FAQ, but I did not see the answer to my simple question of how to start a new thread. We've now tried several types of message board hosting, including MSN, Multiply, that set up by MissLawbore - but this one, although apperently simple, is certainly giving me a problem on this basic question. Can someone tell me please ?

    >>>
    Hi Robin,

    Have you tried the help forum search. This may answer your question.

    http://help.forumotion.com/

    Regards Steve(Bennyball)

    Guest
    Guest

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    Post by Guest on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 13:56

    Robin,

    To start a new thread, I just clicked on new topic
    filled in the details then sent!

    The help section advises that files cannot be added
    one of the reasons is the owners are trying not to clog the
    server up, but Mick has managed to upload a pic from photobucket
    and I was wondering if there is a similar free site for documents
    so that bennyball53 for instance can upload the old message
    board postings for reference if anyone requires that info?.

    Pauline

    Robin Lovelock wrote:Thanks Steve (BennyBall) - those help pages will certainly help Stephen Johnson with things like setting up a banner, etc. However, there are lots of things, including in the FAQ, but I did not see the answer to my simple question of how to start a new thread. We've now tried several types of message board hosting, including MSN, Multiply, that set up by MissLawbore - but this one, although apperently simple, is certainly giving me a problem on this basic question. Can someone tell me please ?

    >>>
    Hi Robin,

    Have you tried the help forum search. This may answer your question.

    http://help.forumotion.com/

    Regards Steve(Bennyball)

    pamela coughlan

    I ECHO THAT STEVE

    Post by pamela coughlan on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 17:15

    Pussycat wrote:Hi Steve
    Thanks again for being involved in everything regarding the setting up of this new board and all your involvement on the old board.
    I am sure that I speak for everyone when I say you are wonderful to take so much time in helping us all with our quest for our relatives rights to CC and 'fairplay' from the NHS. Also thanks to Robin and all the other folk too.
    Sue cat

    all4justice

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    Post by all4justice on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 18:33

    As a newcomer to the site I would like to endorse the thoughts and feelings of all the other brothers and sisters fighting for justice for loved ones, and with the help of ESQUIRES,R.LOVELOCK, PAM COUGHLAN, STEVE JOHNSON combined with the support and help from one another, we WILL WIN!We ENGLISH are normally A placid race of people,but when we get bullied and browbeaten, LOOK OUT!

    Guest
    Guest

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    Post by Guest on Sun 1 Mar 2009 - 19:36

    Mr Squires

    Talked to Steve Johnson on Saturday, and he put me fully in the picture. I must admit that is look a lot smarter than the old site - let us all hope it can achieve just as much and more

    Bob S

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    Post by Bob S on Wed 4 Mar 2009 - 23:09

    I've just discovered where everyone went. I was having withdrawal symptoms but I can continue to get my daily fix and also keep up to date on the wonderful world of the NHS and how it tries to wriggle out of its legal responsibilities.

    Guest
    Guest

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    Post by Guest on Thu 5 Mar 2009 - 0:13

    When the old ship went down (MS-N, get it!) it was like looking for lifeboats until we all arrived here. All the members are gradually climbing aboard but I've noticed we're missing some names. Where is Miss Lawbore and all her legal expertise, and Fimac who talks a lot of sense, not to mention Shelley. Are all the Steves here?? Is there any way of contacting the missing? Question

    Michael

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    Post by Michael on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 1:13

    Hi all, newbie here. I found this site whilst trawling the net prior to an "informal" meeting with my local PCT tomorrow (oops, just seen the time, I mean later today!) I am appealing against their refusal to provide my Mum with continuing care. Thanks to all the good stuff I found via the "nhscare.info" site, I believe I have a good case as unfortunately my Mum is in a worse state of health than the venerable Pam Coughlan. I'm not sure whether to cut to the chase & hit them with this as soon as I walk in, or hold my counsel & wait for the big finish. Either way, it is so encouraging for me to know there are many others in a similar position, I am hopeful that Good will win the day. I will keep you updated & will be so relieved if I can throw off this burden. Even writing this has made me feel better! Thanks for being there.

    Guest
    Guest

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    Post by Guest on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 8:54

    Michael wrote:Hi all, newbie here. I found this site whilst trawling the net prior to an "informal" meeting with my local PCT tomorrow (oops, just seen the time, I mean later today!) I am appealing against their refusal to provide my Mum with continuing care. Thanks to all the good stuff I found via the "nhscare.info" site, I believe I have a good case as unfortunately my Mum is in a worse state of health than the venerable Pam Coughlan. I'm not sure whether to cut to the chase & hit them with this as soon as I walk in, or hold my counsel & wait for the big finish. Either way, it is so encouraging for me to know there are many others in a similar position, I am hopeful that Good will win the day. I will keep you updated & will be so relieved if I can throw off this burden. Even writing this has made me feel better! Thanks for being there.


    Welcome Michael

    Well done to search for info and find us,it seems you are being treated with a lot more dignity than some of us have received, by being invited to an 'Informal' meeting in the first instance.

    Most of us here were not been told anything sbout FFCC, our relative/friend was just shunted to social services for means testing asap, by the nhs discharge team, who know that for some years now an assessment for continuing care is mandatory and must be carried out with all other procedures before notification to the social services. If the nhs don't carry out their procedures it possibly could be interpreted as negligence.

    The advice on Robin's site, at your stage, is vital, if it is any consolation at this stressful terrible time,you can control the situation somewhat.

    Usual info for now is don't sign anything, ensure that plenty of medical assessments are/have taken place for an informed decision on the health need status to be made, especially drug regime, make sure a good amount of people from all aspects are involved in the multi disciplinary team, obtain the new power of attorney and make sure it covers health & welfare matters as well as financial.

    Good luck, please let us know what happens.
    Pauline

    Fraggle

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    Post by Fraggle on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 9:30

    This is all 'new' and may be slow to start, but stick with it folks!

    As someone who has used the information provided through the pages provided by Steve Squires and others, I can absolutely confirm that the information you need to assist you to win is contained within the websites regarding Free Nursing Care Information.

    Good luck to all.

    Regards.

    Steve Paget MBE Laughing

    Michael

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    Post by Michael on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 14:57

    Well, just back from my meeting with the PCT. My host told me that she would be sitting in arbitration between the assessment team & myself. I remarked it was a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson refereeing a match between Man Utd & West Ham, i.e. a bit one sided! Mum was assessed in January & scored 1 "severe" (cognition), 1 "high" ((behaviour), 6 "moderates" (Communication, mobility, nutrition, continence, skin, drugs & medication) & 1 low (psychological & emotional) with 2 remaining "no needs" (Breathing & consciousness). Mum has been diagnosed with severe dementia, is immobile, doubly incontinent, has lost over 5 kgs since being in hospital & has a Waterlow skin result of 20 (Very high risk). All my arguments were met with clouded management speak (we hear what you are saying, etc), even my "coup de grace" of the Coughlan test fell on stony ground. They are going to arrange a second assessment by a neighbouring PCT (Sir Alex hands over to the reserve team coach?). I guess it then goes to Panel again, I am going to use an Advocate to represent me (a charitable body) as I think I'm too emotionally involved to speak without saying something inappropriate. I certainly let fly with both barrels today, saying the whole shoddy process is shameful & undignified. There, I've said it now, a small amount of satisfaction gained.The battle continues, I will keep in touch & carry on exploring all the avenues. All the Best..Michael

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    Post by Guest on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 15:17

    Michael wrote:Well, just back from my meeting with the PCT. My host told me that she would be sitting in arbitration between the assessment team & myself. I remarked it was a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson refereeing a match between Man Utd & West Ham, i.e. a bit one sided! Mum was assessed in January & scored 1 "severe" (cognition), 1 "high" ((behaviour), 6 "moderates" (Communication, mobility, nutrition, continence, skin, drugs & medication) & 1 low (psychological & emotional) with 2 remaining "no needs" (Breathing & consciousness). Mum has been diagnosed with severe dementia, is immobile, doubly incontinent, has lost over 5 kgs since being in hospital & has a Waterlow skin result of 20 (Very high risk). All my arguments were met with clouded management speak (we hear what you are saying, etc), even my "coup de grace" of the Coughlan test fell on stony ground. They are going to arrange a second assessment by a neighbouring PCT (Sir Alex hands over to the reserve team coach?). I guess it then goes to Panel again, I am going to use an Advocate to represent me (a charitable body) as I think I'm too emotionally involved to speak without saying something inappropriate. I certainly let fly with both barrels today, saying the whole shoddy process is shameful & undignified. There, I've said it now, a small amount of satisfaction gained.The battle continues, I will keep in touch & carry on exploring all the avenues. All the Best..Michael


    Michael

    before you went to your meeting today, did they ask you for your input? did they tell you the RATIONALE for not being eligible, which needs to be in writing?

    Seems to me running away to 2nd pct assessment without anything formal as set out in the framework?

    Pauline

    Michael

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    Post by Michael on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 16:15

    Hi Pauline,

    Yes, they did ask for my input on each domain that I disagreed with, I put this in writing some 2 weeks ago. I went armed with all the written material they sent me in this regard, e.g. competed DST, Psychiatrist's report, Physio & OT reports etc. However, they fell short in supplying the evaluation notes that some of these judgements were based on. Their rationale was the completed DST. I was told that I had made a good case but no ground was given in any domain. Does any one actually win an appeal or does it have to "go legal"?

    Thanks....Michael

    Guest
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    Post by Guest on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 16:27

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enGB257GB258&q=nhs+continuing+care+review+ombudsman+investigation+tool+checklist+process


    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:AdkYBX0r0AAJ:www.ombudsman.org.uk/documents/continuing_care_templates.doc+nhs+continuing+care+review+ombudsman+investigation+tool+checklist+process&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

    michael etc

    above are links to the checklist that of all compelted processes that the ombudsman expects (process) to be carried out if and when it gets to them

    whicha re are you michael?

    seems to me they are not stkcing to the process, which is par for the course, a lot don't understand and put their own interpretation onto the framework but they cannot

    pauline

    Michael

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    Post by Michael on Fri 6 Mar 2009 - 18:03

    Pauline, thanks for the info, yet another good example of the support this community can provide. I am in the Greater London area. I agree that I need to monitor the process carefully as they may not fully understand it. Indeed, I was told that "not many people take it this far"

    Alexb1

    Welcome to the new "free nursing care" forum

    Post by Alexb1 on Thu 19 Mar 2009 - 8:51

    Hi to everyone,I am still having problems with this site . I keep losing everyone !
    I have an IRP at the SHA on 21st May,meanwhile mum is in a nursing home paid by the pct as I cited annex E of the national framework before I would allow her discharge from hospital.
    For newbie, it is really important to send letters write everything down so health authority and pct can't deny things, also talk to your M.P.. Inform everyone related to your dads case that you are applying for nhs funded continuing care including the G.P.
    I am meeting my mums M.P tomorrow and I will post what happens as to whether it appears to be helpful.She did write to the P.C T but got a standard letter back. Alex

    Guest
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    Post by Guest on Thu 26 Mar 2009 - 11:50

    Yes please let us know what happens with your MP tomorrow and I hope we will hear from you with your progress towards the 21st May IRP. Jan

    lyn

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    Post by lyn on Sat 1 Aug 2009 - 21:04

    Hi I am Lyn, a newbie to this site. I have reading about Michael and feel I am about to go down the same line. My husband Nigel has had Parkinsons for nearly 18 years and is now unable to do anything for himself. He was only 41 when he was diagnosed. I have been fighting for continuing care since last October. First we had the assessment made by a continuing care assessor and the parkinsons specialist nurse. Then in December I was asked to write a full weeks diary of everything that I do for my husband and all his needs. The panel of 3 sat on the 28th January and I found out the following day (I phoned them) that he had failed, but I had to wait 3 weeks for the report. I appealed on the 30th January. I had to wait till the 17th March before the continuing appeal assessor came out to the house and take more details. We were asked to gather as much information from family and friends to help with the appeal. My son wrote a 6 page assessment on his father following the same domains as in the report. On June the 11th the panel sat again (3 different people) and again he failed, this time though he went down 2 domains, high to moderate, moderate to low. Can't work that out. Once again I said I wanted to appeal. I was told that Nigel could be reassessed, because it was a long time since last October. On July 6th the original continuing care assessor came out and sat for 4 hours and reassessed Nigel. I was told that this time the system had changed and the assessments can be done by 2 members of the multi disaplinary team (different disaplines) and a decision can be made right away. Ha Ha, because of holidays, sickness, long term sickness, people having babies, it was not possible for 2 people to come out, so the assessment was done and we would have to wait till a further person could look at the assessment. Once again our GP (wonderful guy) the OT, Physio, Speech Therapist, Dietian Manager at respite home, Parkinsons nurse, Consultant, Social Services and me all have to spend time writing more reports just to bring it all up to date. Don't these guys understand that Parkinsons only gets worse not better. I gave the assessor 2 weeks and a day to tell me whether she had found anyone to do the other assessment, only to be told that she has now left the job because she is sick. Great, so I am back on the phone again to see who has taken up our case. Meanwhile (and you will love this) I had a call from the social worker, Nigel's social worker who has never met him, she tells me she has been asked to do an assessment, yes I said, she asked me if I could give some details, could I send her any reports I have, I asked what does she need and she gave me a full list of things she needed to know. I sat until 1am, writing a full and detailed assessment on my husband's health needs and care I also sent her copies of past reports. I recieved back an email thanking me for my prompt response. Several days later I thought about this and said to my husband, I have just done the social workers job for her,why shouldn't I get paid for it. So I sent her an invoice for £60. Watch this space. Meanwhile I emailed my MP and within 15 minutes his secretary phoned me and told I her the whole sorry story and they have now written to the chief ex. of the Norfolk nhs as I have compained about the way in which this PROCESS has gone. I wait, but I will not let this lie. I have read Coughlan and I know my husband is well and truly within the criteria. His speech is almost unintelligable, he is double incontinent, he cannot feed himself, wash, do his teeth, he cannot take his medication by himself, he is totally immobile. In fact he really cannot do anything for himself, apart from a little loss of short term memory his mind is good, though he can be a bit confused at times. So I think by all accounts we should get some continuing care. I have no help at all, only 4 weeks respite a year, even that can be tiresome. In March he was in respite for 2 weeks, and on his return it took me 3 weeks to get rid of his bedsores and get his bowels to work again. Was it worth it. At present I have not been asked to attend any meetings, faceless people who have not met us have made decisions on our lives without consulting us at all. Surely this cannot be right. I have spent hours and hours on the phone, hours and hours reading information on the net and hours and hours writing e-mails and reports. I feel my life has been put on hold, as I can not go anywhere or do anything, as looking after Nigel is a 24 hour job, yes a job which I have told everyone concerned that I have not been trained to do. I even take urine samples to my surgery if I think it does not look right.
    I am not sure where the next move will be I will have to wait for a letter from the complaints department as I am sure the chief ex. will pass it on, I gather I have to go through the process, first PALS then the complaints department then where after that I don't know. I am not going to let them get away with this, I know I should have some help, I was going for one hour a day at the beginning just help with the morning routine, now I feel like asking for at least 3 hours. I have to do everthing on my own, but I know and I have been told that it would take 2 people to do what I do. Health and Safety.!!!!!
    Just writing all this down again, has helped me, and my typing is getting faster.!
    Best wishes to all for a wonderful web site. Lyn

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Sun 2 Aug 2009 - 9:11

    Lyn. Welcome and well done for your fight for Nigel and yourself.

    They should do a Decision Support Tool assessment - has he had this ?

    If so , and they deny NHS CHC then you should ask to be referred to the Strategic Health Authroity for an Independant Review. And if they still deny then you should contact the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman at Millbank Tower - Millbank - London - SW1P 4QP - tel 0345 015 4033 email www.ombudsman.org.uk

    You can ask the Ombudsman at any time and I have read that they can be helpful. The PALS system has helped me in the past for getting copies of records but I found that they knew little of NHS CHC.

    The social services will let you do all their work if you let them. They will also try to pry into your financial affairs but don't co operate with them as it has first to be proved that Nigel has a primary health need. Ridiculous , I know , but this is their mindset.

    It is a very frustrating situation when we know the person so well and someone else who has never met them before sees these reports and decides that they do not have a primary health need !!

    Have you heard of Barbara Pointon ? I think she looked after her husband in their own home and got the NHS to fully fund this. If you search the net you might find something about her there.

    So please don't despair we are all here to help you Smile

    patrick11

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    Post by patrick11 on Sun 2 Aug 2009 - 11:08

    Hi lyn Smile welcome to the forum
    having read your story thought i would post this link for you hope it is of some help to you How barbra pointon faught her battle Good luck
    HERE
    http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/downloads/a_personal_perspective_Barbara_Pointon.pdf
    Mick

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    Post by Guest on Sun 2 Aug 2009 - 17:36

    Hi Lyn,

    Well done, for all for you've done so far ... and survived what they have put you through.

    I wish that I had one single £10 or even a fiver, for every time someone has said to me "on leave", or "on sick leave" or "on maternity leave" or on .... and this is the latest one ... "working on the Swine flu strategy", which I must admit didn't surprise me,athough it did temporarily take my breath away, but then .... I wondered how many other people have come by that one!!

    My only other practical suggestion is that you make sure BEFORE any meeting or assessment or whatever, to them all, that you will want a HARD COPY of whatever paperwork they churn out, at the end of that meeting/assessment. Then confirm your request briefly IN WRITING, to them all, and then .... A WEEK LATER ... confirm it again. (We used to take a pre-prepared printed letter to the meeting/assessment/social worker/consultant ... and hand it over at the end of the meeting, stating that we would VERY NICELY and very kindly request confirmation in the post. ) That way you may get it .... or may not ... eventually. But don't do it by phone. Only do everything in writing, and preferably deliver it by hand/in person, if that's possible for you, and get a signed receipt.

    Make a note of all phone calls that come your way, who said what to whom and when. Kind of diary with ... sparkly knobs on.

    Then you can sleep at night, knowing that you have done all that you could be asked to do.

    Don't sign anything ... don't ever give away any personal info to anyone ... don't trust SWs, unless and until you have reason to trust. We have a brilliant and supportive GP too,

    You asked whether they don't realise that Parkinsons can only get worse ... no, they don't. Or rather they don't take that into their thinking.

    Any more than they ever realise thatanyone with a diagnosis of Dementia is unlikely to 'get better'. Don't ask me what planet they are all on. I have stopped trying to work it out.

    So all I can offer you, Lyn, is a hand doubly full of support. Virtual support, yes, but nevertheless ... a hopeful hand.

    lyn

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    Post by lyn on Sun 2 Aug 2009 - 20:34

    Thank you for your messages, it is so nice to know that there are people out there that not only support you, but are able to give you proper information. It does not matter how many leaflets ss give you, nothing answers the questions you want answered, because they do not want you to know the answers. Most of the time they do not know the answers themselves. When our last assessor came I was armed with a load of paper I printed off this site, I had high lighted a number of things, so before she started I went straight into it, telling her that Nigel was well within the Coughlan criteria etc. She turned to us and said, "I don't get into the politics of this, I just ask the questions on this sheet". How can you ever get anywhere when you are dealing with this sort of attitude. A case of "more than my jobs worth"
    Once again thanks Lyn

    Pussycat

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    Post by Pussycat on Sun 2 Aug 2009 - 20:38

    Hi Lyn and Nigel. You will realise you are not alone when you visit this forum. There are many people who will offer you very good advice as they have been through very similar fob offs as you have with SS etc.
    You will get fantastic help from many folk on here, so stick with it and don't believe much the powers that be tell you.....as you will have seen with the many people that write on this forum we have all been lied to by NHS/SS/PCT staff. cat

    lyn

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    Post by lyn on Mon 3 Aug 2009 - 7:44

    Morning, I read through Barbara Pointon last night, I remember seeing her first prog. on TV. I did not know just how long it took her to go through the process. No wonder people want to give up. I am just reading through the 65 pages of the National Framework July 2009. It says in the carers stategy bit that carers are (or should) be supported, and allowed short breaks, does anyone know what that means. I had a carers assessment, the guy was here for over 2 hours, and then took five weeks to send me a copy of the meeting, but it didn't say anything. He said he would refer me to Crossroads, and when I eventually phone up Crossroads they had not had any ref. at all. Anyway I talked to them myself, and I have now been put on the waiting list. In fact someone is coming out this afternoon to see us. Again what is the point of SS.
    Lyn

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Mon 3 Aug 2009 - 8:31

    Lyn when my sis and I were going to Mums to care for her the ss did not want to know. We had to run our own homes as well as having small children to care for. I was near physical collapse [ according to my GP ] and we felt like we had been cut adrift in the sea os so called " care ". I must have asked the social worker at least 10 times for a carers assessment ........ which never came. Fate took a hand one night when Mum was found at the bottom of her stairs with a head wound. She was taken into emergency care and never returned home. So no there is little or no help for carers who are exhausted and at the end of their tether. Its just a disgrace.

    Have you asked about Direct Payments ? this is when the LA will pay for a carer of your choice [ even family / friend / neighbour ] to go into your home to help care for Nigel ? I think Barbare Pointon mentions these in her blog. The social worker SHOULD advise you of these but rarely do.

    lyn

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    Post by lyn on Tue 18 Aug 2009 - 22:50

    Has anyone read the item in todays daily mail, it looks as if someone up there is beingining to be on our side. I am still 'in the fight'.
    Lyn

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Wed 19 Aug 2009 - 9:40

    Yes Lyn it's fantastic news. Nice to hear from you again.

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    Post by Guest on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 10:00

    I am new to this site, but here goes.

    My mother went into hospital last May after breaking her leg. Much has happened since then, but she is presently occupying an acute bed in the sister hospital to the first one.
    She suffers from dementia, is unable to mobilise, doubly incontinent, needs help with feeding or to be fed, is reluctant to take fluids, sometimes needing them to be administered intravenously or subcutaneously, is prone to pressure sores, (although the nurses make light of this), is prone to urinary tract infections, shouts during the night, etc.

    A Decision Support Tool was completed and submitted to the panel in August. She was only awarded NHS Nursing Care of £106.30 per week.

    Another one was completed last week, although they argued with all my points and it only came out as one Severe/High for cognition, a high for mobility and several moderates, lows and two no needs. Her case goes to the panel again on Wednesday and I should be given a 'generous' 10 minutes in which to speak.
    The CC Clinician who is dealing with it says that 'she just doesn't hit it'. She says that I don't know the rules. She even says that her own doctor doesn't understand the rules. I have copies of the new DST and Framework.

    They are desperate to get her out of the hospital bed to the point of being nasty. They keep directing me to the Social Worker and lists of nursing homes, etc. They say that she can only come home with a 'robust' i.e pricey, support package following a successful risk assessment + buying necessary equipment herself.

    I would like some advice on how to best use my 10 precious minutes with the panel on Wednesday and whether they are obliged to continue to fund my mother's care, wherever it may be, if I then approach the Strategic Health Authority, as it seems they have already decided that the case will be unsuccessful.

    I have told them that I would like her to return to her own home. Myself and my husband have been caring for her in shifts, but she could stand and walk a little then.

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 10:26

    Welcome. My Mum has been in a care home for a few years now she was assessed last year with 1 severe and 5 highs and still did not have a " Primary Health Need " as they so quanitly put it. We had an Independant Review Panel meeting who backed up this decision. It has now gone to the Health Ombudsman. But we are still paying the fees of £2000.00 per month PLUS the NHS Nursing care contribution [ which you mention ] is KEPT by the care home company, so this " contribution " does not contribute in any way as regards my Mums finances !! We sold her family home last March which has devastated our family. If we had the knowledge and support of this forum [ especially Steve Squires ] when she was being discharged from hospital then this would have not happened.

    But this is what could happen to you if you do not stand firm. There will be other forum members advice which will advise you better than I can re the hospital discharge rules etc. Our experience was that no matter what you say in your precious 10 minutes has no effect at all on their bullying ways.

    I notice that you think she could return home under your care. Can I just advise you to see Lyns posts as she recently managed to get NHS FULL FUNDING for her husband to care for him at home.

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    Post by Guest on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 11:13

    Many thanks for that, bodecia2007. The thought of them taking my mother's home and all my parents had worked so hard for all their lives makes me feel suicidal. When I mentioned care at home to the CC Clinician, she said that all funding was capped and that they wouldn't cover nights in any case. I wondered if this was legal.

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 11:34

    I don't know what this person is talking about ? Never heard of THAT particular excuse before !! Please read Lyn's post/s - she managed to get it and not very long ago !!

    I'll try and find her links then get back to you - don't despair ......

    bodecia2007

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    Post by bodecia2007 on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 11:38

    Verygood - have found Lyn's link - where she won !!

    http://freenursingcare.findtalk.biz/general-chat-f1/we-won-t392.htm

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    Post by Guest on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 13:15

    Thanks. She does say that she had a good Social Worker. Mine seems to bat for the other side.

    Pussycat

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    Post by Pussycat on Mon 2 Nov 2009 - 13:53

    Verygood,
    99.9% bat for the other side!. You are in a very good position as your mother is still in hospital. Do not let them discharge her until you are completely happy with the assessment. Your mother has been in hospital since last May which most definatley shows she has a health need, otherwise why would she have been in there so long. Please do not agree to or sign anything. Tell them you will not let them discharge your mother until she has been granted FFCC which she is entitled to as she has a health need. They will tell you many untruths to try to justify them getting their hands on her finances. You must be forceful with these people because they play very dirty. Tell them you will not let them discharge your mother until a healthcare package has been put in place that you have agreed to. Please do not sign anything. Regards

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