Hello
I am new to this forum and have been reading many of the problems experienced by others in their battle to obtain continuity of healthcare for their family members. I have had that battle too in the past and now fear I will have to embark on another fight to retain my mother's funding. I am hoping that some members might be able to offer me advice regarding a recent demand to review my mother's qualification for CHC funding. I am seriously considering a flat refusal to comply with their demand.
What is written below is rather longer than I had intended and I hope it will not bore you......
Background Information:
My mother (aged 90) lives with me and I carry out most of her care alone, with the help of agency carers twice a day and visits from a district nurse once or twice per week for bowel management. In the past 2 years I have cut the amount of care provided by the agency considerably as it proved impossible to obtain continuity of carers and even more important, experienced carers. I felt my mother was being affected adversely (she has second stage dementia) and in her interests I began acting as the 'double up' at all visits. I have the absolute minimum of outside help necessary and in so doing I have saved the NHS many tens of thousands of pounds over the last few years.
Mum's carers have been funded by the NHS since late 2006 but only 'officially' since her 3rd assessment in late 2007, shortly after the new framework was introduced, when it was finally accepted that her primary need was for healthcare. Two earlier assessments, under the old PCT-defined criteria, were carried out whilst she was hospitalised. Because of my complaints regarding the quality of the assessments (double incontinence described as 'little accidents' by one assessor) she had to remain hospitalised for 10 months longer than necessary.
During this process there were threats to remove Mum to a nursing home against her wishes, accusations of 'bed blocking' and attempts to shame me into acquiescing. Although I had offered to have Mum home if they would fund carers (I could not longer manage her alone as I had previously) they tried to get me to agree to reimburse all care costs if, in the future, the SHA upheld their original decision to reject funding. All of this only stopped when I contacted the Health Commission for their assistance. I was told much of the information being supplied to relatives was incorrect or insufficient and following their intervention Mum came home with funding for a year prior to her next assessment in 2007 under the new guidelines.
Since that assessment I had heard nothing more from the PCT until about 12 months ago, when I received a 'phone call from a nurse assessor wanting to make an appointment for a review. I didn't initially understand what she intended as it was not explained this would include another full assessment – I thought they meant a review of the care arrangements with the agency!
Due to the problems I had experienced previously and the problems subsequently encountered by a friend I had helped with funding for her mother, I requested that they write and explain exactly what they intended to do, what documents would be involved, who would be invited to contribute to the assessment and who would be visiting. I also asked if my mother's GP would be invited to attend but was told they did not invite the GP, which I found surprising as he is the person most closely involved in my mother's healthcare – apart from me.
I heard nothing more until one morning when a district nurse and representative from the care agency (who had only ever seen my mother once before) arrived at my home and told me an assessment had been booked for that day! It was a complete farce as the letter sent by CHC advising me of the assessment had only been written 2 days previously, posted the day before and was delivered by the postman as everyone was arriving.
I never did see the assessors from CHC as they got lost on the way and refused to come to my home after I had spoken to them on their mobile and told them I was looking forward to meeting them and hearing their explanation of the situation.
They did not try to reschedule the appointment and on speaking to the District Nurse, she told me that the review does not always entail a visit and that they are sometimes contacted by telephone to check the situation of a CHC recipient. I also subsequently learned that the assessor had actually invited Mum's GP to the assessment, with only 3 days notice (but at least he got more than me!) Unsurprisingly he was unable to attend but did write to them confirming that my mother's condition was no better, she appeared frailer, there had been no sudden deterioration but that she was now no longer able to sit out in a wheelchair each day. He confirmed his opinion that her primary need was for healthcare.
With hindsight, I suspect the failure to provide any advance information and the late (too late) notification to me was deliberate, so I would have no time to prepare for Mum's re-assessment. The letter contained no information other than the names of those attending.
Present Problem:
Last week an administrator from the local CHC team telephoned again stating they wanted to 'review my mother's care needs.' Again, there would have been no further information provided if I had not questioned exactly what that meant. I declined their request to set a date during the call and told them I wanted to speak to someone before doing that. My intention was to contact my sister, who is a nurse, and establish her off duty for next month before agreeing to any dates. I want her here as a witness if I again have to submit Mum to this farcical process.
The following day I received a letter sent recorded delivery from a CHC team leader asking me to choose one of 2 dates in January (the first being the second working day in January) for a 'review assessment' of my mother and informing me that I must agree one of those dates by 21st December. I was then informed this is a mandatory requirement for PCT's under the Continuing Healthcare National Framework and I should be advised that 'any refusal of the assessment will result in funding ceasing from NHS XXXXXXX with immediate effect'.
Whilst writing this I have just been telephoned again (20th December) by the young administrator. She asked if I had decided a date and I said I hadn't decided anything yet and asked what date it was today? She then said that they were just trying to get everything organised before Xmas. I repeated that I hadn't decided anything to which she replied 'you do know the consequences don't you', to which I replied 'I know what you've told me'.
My questions:
Does a PCT review really have to include a full assessment by the MDT at least annually?
What, if any, information should the PCT collect before this assessment and can I demand a copy of this information in advance? In this area at least they do not appear to gather any 'evidence' prior to the MDT meeting and I have never yet seen a proper risk assessment.
Can they refuse to continue to pay for my mother's care if I decide not to subject her to what will be a cursory assessment by people who have never seen my mother before. I will have to remove her covers and describe in detail her physical condition. Given that her condition is chronic and will never improve it seems unfair on her (and me) to submit us to this each year.
Does any one else think that the letter and telephone call I have received is bordering on an attempt to bully me into complying? I have experienced this before with this PCT as described abovem - or am I being over sensitive?
Past Form of the CHC Department of this PCT:
I have no faith whatsoever that my mother will receive a rigorous and fair assessment because during the past 2 years I have been involved in trying to help two local families who had elderly relatives in need of continuing healthcare. In neither case was it evident that the CHC department understood the fundamentals of the framework – or perhaps they just ignored them.
This is a brief overview of their experience, which frankly beggars belief:
In 2009/10 the funding for a lady suffering in the final stages of severe Alzheimer's was withdrawn by this PCT at the first 'review':
-the daughter was given no prior information that a full assessment would be made or guidelines on what the 'review' would cover
-only one assessor, a mental health nurse, carried out the 'review', the lady was asleep for the whole assessment, which was simplistic in the extreme
-the mental health nurse concluded the lady was now 'very compliant to care, unlike when she first started on the funding' and 'the lady's behaviour has lessened enormously'
-a copy of the completed Decision Support Tool was sent to the daughter by e-mail only the evening before the Panel meeting
-the Panel found that her mother's needs were no longer complex, intense or unpredictable
-a review of the process that had been followed was supposedly ratified by a neighbouring PCT peer review
-written complaints that proper procedures had not been followed were simply ignored.
The lady was so poorly that she had to be hospitalised shortly after the assessment and she died before the end of the month. This at the same time that the PCT was informing the family that they would be withdrawing her funding at the end of that month.
The advisor on the Alzheimer's help line who provided us with outstanding help and advice in our efforts to reverse the decision wrote to me after her death: 'Sadly, I have found that a lot of PCTs demonstrate the lack of professionalism you have encountered'
In 2010/11 a man with Alzheimer's, hospitalised in the local community hospital run by the PCT was twice refused a full assessment for CHC funding and attempts were made to discharge him:
-the family were not invited to participate in a Check list for possible CHC funding, or informed it had taken place
-the initial check-list 'scores' recorded 4 As and 3 Bs – well above the threshold for automatic qualification for a full assessment - but the CHC department wrote saying he would not meet the criteria for CHC funding.
-attempts were made to discharge the gentleman to his family having organised 2 carers visiting 4 times per day for an hour at each visit and daily visits from the District Nurses. The family were told they had to fund this care.
-the family refused the discharge and complained to the Chief Executive of the PCT
-instead of carrying out a full assessment a second Check list was requested from the hospital (completed by a different member of the nursing staff) and this time the needs were more severe, 4 As and 4Bs.
-the CHC department again informed the community hospital staff that the gentleman had been 'screened out' by both the physical disability and mental healthcare teams and a full assessment was again refused.
-a second letter of complaint was sent to the Chief Executive of the PCT
The gentleman died in the community hospital before a reply had been received.
I have recently had a long conversation with a senior manager at the Spinal Injuries Association. He has submitted requests to many of the PCTs in this area under the freedom of information act in an attempt to determine how many people with spinal injuries are having their funding withdrawn. Most appear to have declined, citing the length of time it would take to correlate the information. He informs me that disabled people with spinal injuries are experiencing difficulty retaining their funding, as are those with MS and Alzheimer's. Apparently these organisations are engaging in dialogue with the Department of Health on this issue.
What shall I do? I am very inclined to refuse point blank to submit my mother to any further assessment by these idiots. I would be very interested to hear your views on the option's open to me.
Thank you for taking the time to read all this.
H
I am new to this forum and have been reading many of the problems experienced by others in their battle to obtain continuity of healthcare for their family members. I have had that battle too in the past and now fear I will have to embark on another fight to retain my mother's funding. I am hoping that some members might be able to offer me advice regarding a recent demand to review my mother's qualification for CHC funding. I am seriously considering a flat refusal to comply with their demand.
What is written below is rather longer than I had intended and I hope it will not bore you......
Background Information:
My mother (aged 90) lives with me and I carry out most of her care alone, with the help of agency carers twice a day and visits from a district nurse once or twice per week for bowel management. In the past 2 years I have cut the amount of care provided by the agency considerably as it proved impossible to obtain continuity of carers and even more important, experienced carers. I felt my mother was being affected adversely (she has second stage dementia) and in her interests I began acting as the 'double up' at all visits. I have the absolute minimum of outside help necessary and in so doing I have saved the NHS many tens of thousands of pounds over the last few years.
Mum's carers have been funded by the NHS since late 2006 but only 'officially' since her 3rd assessment in late 2007, shortly after the new framework was introduced, when it was finally accepted that her primary need was for healthcare. Two earlier assessments, under the old PCT-defined criteria, were carried out whilst she was hospitalised. Because of my complaints regarding the quality of the assessments (double incontinence described as 'little accidents' by one assessor) she had to remain hospitalised for 10 months longer than necessary.
During this process there were threats to remove Mum to a nursing home against her wishes, accusations of 'bed blocking' and attempts to shame me into acquiescing. Although I had offered to have Mum home if they would fund carers (I could not longer manage her alone as I had previously) they tried to get me to agree to reimburse all care costs if, in the future, the SHA upheld their original decision to reject funding. All of this only stopped when I contacted the Health Commission for their assistance. I was told much of the information being supplied to relatives was incorrect or insufficient and following their intervention Mum came home with funding for a year prior to her next assessment in 2007 under the new guidelines.
Since that assessment I had heard nothing more from the PCT until about 12 months ago, when I received a 'phone call from a nurse assessor wanting to make an appointment for a review. I didn't initially understand what she intended as it was not explained this would include another full assessment – I thought they meant a review of the care arrangements with the agency!
Due to the problems I had experienced previously and the problems subsequently encountered by a friend I had helped with funding for her mother, I requested that they write and explain exactly what they intended to do, what documents would be involved, who would be invited to contribute to the assessment and who would be visiting. I also asked if my mother's GP would be invited to attend but was told they did not invite the GP, which I found surprising as he is the person most closely involved in my mother's healthcare – apart from me.
I heard nothing more until one morning when a district nurse and representative from the care agency (who had only ever seen my mother once before) arrived at my home and told me an assessment had been booked for that day! It was a complete farce as the letter sent by CHC advising me of the assessment had only been written 2 days previously, posted the day before and was delivered by the postman as everyone was arriving.
I never did see the assessors from CHC as they got lost on the way and refused to come to my home after I had spoken to them on their mobile and told them I was looking forward to meeting them and hearing their explanation of the situation.
They did not try to reschedule the appointment and on speaking to the District Nurse, she told me that the review does not always entail a visit and that they are sometimes contacted by telephone to check the situation of a CHC recipient. I also subsequently learned that the assessor had actually invited Mum's GP to the assessment, with only 3 days notice (but at least he got more than me!) Unsurprisingly he was unable to attend but did write to them confirming that my mother's condition was no better, she appeared frailer, there had been no sudden deterioration but that she was now no longer able to sit out in a wheelchair each day. He confirmed his opinion that her primary need was for healthcare.
With hindsight, I suspect the failure to provide any advance information and the late (too late) notification to me was deliberate, so I would have no time to prepare for Mum's re-assessment. The letter contained no information other than the names of those attending.
Present Problem:
Last week an administrator from the local CHC team telephoned again stating they wanted to 'review my mother's care needs.' Again, there would have been no further information provided if I had not questioned exactly what that meant. I declined their request to set a date during the call and told them I wanted to speak to someone before doing that. My intention was to contact my sister, who is a nurse, and establish her off duty for next month before agreeing to any dates. I want her here as a witness if I again have to submit Mum to this farcical process.
The following day I received a letter sent recorded delivery from a CHC team leader asking me to choose one of 2 dates in January (the first being the second working day in January) for a 'review assessment' of my mother and informing me that I must agree one of those dates by 21st December. I was then informed this is a mandatory requirement for PCT's under the Continuing Healthcare National Framework and I should be advised that 'any refusal of the assessment will result in funding ceasing from NHS XXXXXXX with immediate effect'.
Whilst writing this I have just been telephoned again (20th December) by the young administrator. She asked if I had decided a date and I said I hadn't decided anything yet and asked what date it was today? She then said that they were just trying to get everything organised before Xmas. I repeated that I hadn't decided anything to which she replied 'you do know the consequences don't you', to which I replied 'I know what you've told me'.
My questions:
Does a PCT review really have to include a full assessment by the MDT at least annually?
What, if any, information should the PCT collect before this assessment and can I demand a copy of this information in advance? In this area at least they do not appear to gather any 'evidence' prior to the MDT meeting and I have never yet seen a proper risk assessment.
Can they refuse to continue to pay for my mother's care if I decide not to subject her to what will be a cursory assessment by people who have never seen my mother before. I will have to remove her covers and describe in detail her physical condition. Given that her condition is chronic and will never improve it seems unfair on her (and me) to submit us to this each year.
Does any one else think that the letter and telephone call I have received is bordering on an attempt to bully me into complying? I have experienced this before with this PCT as described abovem - or am I being over sensitive?
Past Form of the CHC Department of this PCT:
I have no faith whatsoever that my mother will receive a rigorous and fair assessment because during the past 2 years I have been involved in trying to help two local families who had elderly relatives in need of continuing healthcare. In neither case was it evident that the CHC department understood the fundamentals of the framework – or perhaps they just ignored them.
This is a brief overview of their experience, which frankly beggars belief:
In 2009/10 the funding for a lady suffering in the final stages of severe Alzheimer's was withdrawn by this PCT at the first 'review':
-the daughter was given no prior information that a full assessment would be made or guidelines on what the 'review' would cover
-only one assessor, a mental health nurse, carried out the 'review', the lady was asleep for the whole assessment, which was simplistic in the extreme
-the mental health nurse concluded the lady was now 'very compliant to care, unlike when she first started on the funding' and 'the lady's behaviour has lessened enormously'
-a copy of the completed Decision Support Tool was sent to the daughter by e-mail only the evening before the Panel meeting
-the Panel found that her mother's needs were no longer complex, intense or unpredictable
-a review of the process that had been followed was supposedly ratified by a neighbouring PCT peer review
-written complaints that proper procedures had not been followed were simply ignored.
The lady was so poorly that she had to be hospitalised shortly after the assessment and she died before the end of the month. This at the same time that the PCT was informing the family that they would be withdrawing her funding at the end of that month.
The advisor on the Alzheimer's help line who provided us with outstanding help and advice in our efforts to reverse the decision wrote to me after her death: 'Sadly, I have found that a lot of PCTs demonstrate the lack of professionalism you have encountered'
In 2010/11 a man with Alzheimer's, hospitalised in the local community hospital run by the PCT was twice refused a full assessment for CHC funding and attempts were made to discharge him:
-the family were not invited to participate in a Check list for possible CHC funding, or informed it had taken place
-the initial check-list 'scores' recorded 4 As and 3 Bs – well above the threshold for automatic qualification for a full assessment - but the CHC department wrote saying he would not meet the criteria for CHC funding.
-attempts were made to discharge the gentleman to his family having organised 2 carers visiting 4 times per day for an hour at each visit and daily visits from the District Nurses. The family were told they had to fund this care.
-the family refused the discharge and complained to the Chief Executive of the PCT
-instead of carrying out a full assessment a second Check list was requested from the hospital (completed by a different member of the nursing staff) and this time the needs were more severe, 4 As and 4Bs.
-the CHC department again informed the community hospital staff that the gentleman had been 'screened out' by both the physical disability and mental healthcare teams and a full assessment was again refused.
-a second letter of complaint was sent to the Chief Executive of the PCT
The gentleman died in the community hospital before a reply had been received.
I have recently had a long conversation with a senior manager at the Spinal Injuries Association. He has submitted requests to many of the PCTs in this area under the freedom of information act in an attempt to determine how many people with spinal injuries are having their funding withdrawn. Most appear to have declined, citing the length of time it would take to correlate the information. He informs me that disabled people with spinal injuries are experiencing difficulty retaining their funding, as are those with MS and Alzheimer's. Apparently these organisations are engaging in dialogue with the Department of Health on this issue.
What shall I do? I am very inclined to refuse point blank to submit my mother to any further assessment by these idiots. I would be very interested to hear your views on the option's open to me.
Thank you for taking the time to read all this.
H

