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    WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

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    Esquires
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    WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Wed 24 Aug 2011 - 9:45

    First topic message reminder :

    The NHS have a statutory duty under the NHS Act to provide care 'free at the point of need regardless of the ability to pay'. They avoid doing so by substituting their own 'criteria' to determine who is and is not entitled to receive the NHS care which is the statutory right of every resident British citizen. Action is needed to compel them to obey the law and to gain restitution for all those who have suffered financial loss through their unlawful refusal to comply with the Health Act. The present poll is simply to gauge the likely number of claimants who would in principle be prepared to support legal action to achieve these objectives. We need to assess the likely support in order to estimate individual cost. This poll does not in any way commit you to anything. This poll is sponsored and supported by the 'nhs Continuing Care Campaign' and is not restricted to campaign members. If YOU support the proposed action please post 'YES' on the forum adding your forum 'nickname' and your geographical location - town/county.(Those who DON'T support the proposed action should NOT respond!)Members of other organisations will be invited to co-join the proposed action. This poll will close after 30 days. Steve.


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    Serow

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Serow on Fri 16 Sep 2011 - 12:25

    certainly yes- agree with the caveat raised- but yes

    Kingdom

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Kingdom on Fri 16 Sep 2011 - 12:43

    Yes

    smithadr

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by smithadr on Fri 16 Sep 2011 - 14:30

    yes.

    manchester

    jlm1407

    YES - Leicestershire

    Post by jlm1407 on Sat 17 Sep 2011 - 10:39

    Esquires wrote:The NHS have a statutory duty under the NHS Act to provide care 'free at the point of need regardless of the ability to pay'. They avoid doing so by substituting their own 'criteria' to determine who is and is not entitled to recive the NHS care which is the statutory right of every resident British citizen. Action is needed to compel them to obey the law and to gain restitution for all those who have suffered financial loss through their unlawful refusal to comply with the Health Act. The present poll is simply to gauge the likely number of claimants who would in principle be prepared to support legal action to achieve these objectives. We need to assess the likely support in order to estimate individual cost. This poll does not in any way commit you to anything. This poll is sponsored and supported by the 'nhs Continuing Care Campaign' and is not restricted to campaign members. If YOU support the proposed action please post 'YES' on the forum adding your forum 'nickname' and your geographical location - town/county.(Those who DON'T support the proposed action should NOT respond!)Members of other organisations will be invited to co-join the proposed action. This poll will close after 30 days. Steve.

    Yorks

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Yorks on Sat 17 Sep 2011 - 11:15

    Yes! S. Yorks

    jlm1407

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by jlm1407 on Sat 17 Sep 2011 - 14:37

    Yes definatley - Leicestershire

    Mr angry

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Mr angry on Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 11:35

    Mr Angry
    West Midlands

    Would require further clarification, but would be interested.

    peterbarnes11

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by peterbarnes11 on Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 11:58

    Yes, count me in. Have not been on the site for a month, so have only just become aware of this poll. As I said in my earlier posts, we still have not heard anything from the PCT (or its sucessor), as they were meant to be reviewing my mum's case in March this year.

    Peter, Worthing, W Sussex

    ajbwilliam

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by ajbwilliam on Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 12:48

    yes, interested, Essex

    tired and fed up

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by tired and fed up on Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 18:04

    Yes,

    Huddersfield, West Yorkshire

    AHLloyd

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by AHLloyd on Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 18:33

    Yes - Devon

    John Godfrey

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by John Godfrey on Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 15:50

    Yes, Yes, Yes,

    JG

    honeywood

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by honeywood on Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 18:21

    ... add my support too...

    patrick11

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by patrick11 on Sat 24 Sep 2011 - 9:07

    Members of other organisations will be invited to co-join the proposed action. This poll will close after 30 days. Steve.


    Stephen, Any update on this, Is the poll now closed or are we going to continue?????????????

    Mick

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    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Sat 24 Sep 2011 - 12:37

    patrick11 wrote:
    Members of other organisations will be invited to co-join the proposed action. This poll will close after 30 days. Steve.


    Stephen, Any update on this, Is the poll now closed or are we going to continue?????????????

    Mick


    Mick,

    Steve said he would approach, I think, the Alzheimer's Society, Age UK and the Patients Association - so he may be able to give an update on whether they have indicated an interest in a class action.

    VM pig


    starlightblue

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by starlightblue on Sat 24 Sep 2011 - 13:40

    Given the amount of support here already within this site it seems there are plenty of people willing to go ahead with this, me included. That should be enough for the Campaign to now get an official legal opinion on this.

    It would be good to get charities and the media on board for this, and many other people in the same positions as ourselves, and/or others who can offer their backing and support.

    But before this snowballs, which it will if there IS a case, I believe the next step is to now get the lawyers looking at it to form a legal opinion and give us that feedback as soon as possible.

    It's important that people do not get their hopes up - but for many, this may be the only way of getting into court so I believe it is important that the lawyers now be sourced and brought on board for an opionion and with us all being kept completely up to date with that.

    The one thing I do not wish to see now, given the interest in this, is silence and no information.

    Esquires
    Moderator

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Sun 25 Sep 2011 - 20:23

    The forum poll will close on 30th. September. There is another very important development in the pipeline but it is premature to report on this now as I am awaiting response from a government department. Obviously I don't want to alert the NHS and SS to this until the facts are firmly established. Other organisations are being canvassed for support with the proposed 'class action'. Steve

    RogerB

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by RogerB on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 7:18

    Hi, yes I wpould definately support this poll.

    EnuffsEnuff - Cardiff.

    tess44

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by tess44 on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 9:45

    Yes we would support a class action. tess44

    patrick11

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by patrick11 on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 13:00

    Esquires wrote:The forum poll will close on 30th. September. There is another very important development in the pipeline but it is premature to report on this now as I am awaiting response from a government department. Obviously I don't want to alert the NHS and SS to this until the facts are firmly established. Other organisations are being canvassed for support with the proposed 'class action'. Steve


    Many thanks for the feedback Stephen, It's good to hear that there is something Else in the pipeline. Not wanting to teach you how to suck eggs, but i think this poll should be left live so that those who have not yet seen it can pledge their support. More Names from this forum the better it will be. The government N.H.S SS Might then wake up and realize the public will not accept this shambles any longer


    Mick

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    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 14:30

    Esquires wrote: I am awaiting response from a government department. Obviously I don't want to alert the NHS and SS to this until the facts are firmly established. Steve


    So it sounds as if nobody should hold their breath!!!! Shocked bom

    VM pig

    Delly

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Delly on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 16:53

    Yes
    Delly
    London

    msmarple

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by msmarple on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 17:01

    Yes, me too.

    msmarple - Oxford

    strugglingbutdetermined

    Steve: In the words of Elvis Presley..............

    Post by strugglingbutdetermined on Mon 26 Sep 2011 - 17:14

    Don't be cruel................
    People's hearts have been hurt and are still being hurt Steve. PLEASE do not let this lie. I understand something else might be in the pipeline but it is so very important to keep us all in the picture on this on a regular basis.
    SBD

    Guest
    Guest

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Wed 28 Sep 2011 - 16:58

    I've already told Esquires personally that I support this idea, but I think I can honestly claim that I have wanted something like this for some time. I am aware of the problems, but some kind of mass action - not marching as some have put forward - has been needed.

    Individuals fighting their own court cases have to face many minefields, and that has certainly been true in my experience, but court action is the only way, but could still be met with strong resistance - the opposition, and that includes nearly all politicians, has too much to lose. It would expose a great deal, and not just show that this is about a group of eccentric wrinklies debating among themselves a lost cause. It would show that that NHS must be saved for EVERYONE of every age.

    You bet I am in favour of this.

    melbee123

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by melbee123 on Thu 29 Sep 2011 - 13:35

    YES PLEASE COUNT ME IN

    MEL IN LANCS Smile

    Beetle

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Beetle on Tue 4 Oct 2011 - 20:04

    Steve,

    Polls now theoretically frozen I assume to assess numbers. Can you advise what the next steps are for this.

    Waiting with baited breath.

    Taking my suit to the dry cleaners tomorrow ready for court.

    patrick11

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by patrick11 on Wed 5 Oct 2011 - 13:03

    Beetle wrote:Steve,

    Polls now theoretically frozen I assume to assess numbers. Can you advise what the next steps are for this.

    Waiting with baited breath.

    Taking my suit to the dry cleaners tomorrow ready for court.


    Ditto Smile Steve has any of the other organisations put names forward in support of this class action. Like Beetle I am also Waiting with baited breath. As are many others. Suit cleaned shirts ironed shoes polished.Time for some action

    Mick

    sillysally

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by sillysally on Wed 5 Oct 2011 - 17:50

    [ It would expose a great deal, and not just show that this is about a group of eccentric wrinklies debating among themselves a lost cause. It would show that that NHS must be saved for EVERYONE of every age.

    You bet I am in favour of this.[/quote]


    Just a small point...... I'll cough to eccentric - but not to wrinkly Wink

    patrick11

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by patrick11 on Wed 5 Oct 2011 - 19:32

    I'll cough to eccentric - but not to wrinkly Smile


    Are you using that special cream gimme some lol!

    Mick

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    Guest

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Fri 7 Oct 2011 - 21:33

    patrick11 wrote:
    Members of other organisations will be invited to co-join the proposed action. This poll will close after 30 days. Steve.

    Stephen, Any update on this, Is the poll now closed or are we going to continue?????????????
    Mick


    strugglingbutdetermined wrote:Don't be cruel................
    People's hearts have been hurt and are still being hurt Steve. PLEASE do not let this lie. I understand something else might be in the pipeline but it is so very important to keep us all in the picture on this on a regular basis.
    SBD


    Beetle wrote:Steve,

    Polls now theoretically frozen I assume to assess numbers. Can you advise what the next steps are for this.

    Waiting with baited breath.

    Taking my suit to the dry cleaners tomorrow ready for court.


    patrick11 wrote:
    Beetle wrote:Steve,

    Polls now theoretically frozen I assume to assess numbers. Can you advise what the next steps are for this.

    Waiting with baited breath.

    Taking my suit to the dry cleaners tomorrow ready for court.


    Ditto Smile Steve has any of the other organisations put names forward in support of this class action. Like Beetle I am also Waiting with baited breath. As are many others. Suit cleaned shirts ironed shoes polished.Time for some action

    Mick



    Silence is golden, sang The Tremeloes, circa 1967 - amongst many other versions, of course, including the 4 Seasons' original if you're old enough to remember that one.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyj2qL-bQ4E

    "Silence is golden, golden.
    But my eyes still see.

    Talkin' is cheap
    People follow like sheep.
    Even tho' there is nowhere to go"

    There are so many still waiting for silence to be broken.

    VM pig

    patrick11

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by patrick11 on Sat 8 Oct 2011 - 12:19

    The 45 listed members below are those who have pledged to support a Class Action. Any other members who would like to pledge their support for a Class Action. please just leave your user name with no other comments. This is so this thread does not get clogged up. To keep bumping this thread. Just click on the Quote button below bottom right and just add your name under the above list. Stephen a comment from you is now over Due please can you give the members an Update

    Mick

    bodecia2007
    AHLloyd
    ajbwilliam
    all4justice
    avenger
    Beetle
    CJUK
    Delly
    FinnMickey
    fury5081
    greenflamingo
    Helkat
    honeywood
    insomniac
    iwillwincc
    jlm1407
    JOHN
    John Godfrey
    jrey
    katykat
    kensmydad
    Kingdom
    melbee123
    MoleCatcher
    Mr angry
    msmarple
    patrick11
    peterbarnes11
    Racoulter200752
    RogerB
    Serow
    shaz1
    sillysally
    smithadr
    starlightblue
    Stephen Johnson
    strugglingbutdetermined
    tess44
    tired and fed up
    Trev7
    Victoria Meldrew
    vince
    Wilee Coyote
    woolwich819
    Yorks






    terrytops

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by terrytops on Sat 8 Oct 2011 - 16:17

    patrick11 wrote:The 45 listed members below are those who have pledged to support a Class Action. Any other members who would like to pledge their support for a Class Action. please just leave your user name with no other comments. This is so this thread does not get clogged up. To keep bumping this thread. Just click on the Quote button below bottom right and just add your name under the above list. Stephen a comment from you is now over Due please can you give the members an Update

    Mick

    bodecia2007
    AHLloyd
    ajbwilliam
    all4justice
    avenger
    Beetle
    CJUK
    Delly
    FinnMickey
    fury5081
    greenflamingo
    Helkat
    honeywood
    insomniac
    iwillwincc
    jlm1407
    JOHN
    John Godfrey
    jrey
    katykat
    kensmydad
    Kingdom
    melbee123
    MoleCatcher
    Mr angry
    msmarple
    patrick11
    peterbarnes11
    Racoulter200752
    RogerB
    Serow
    shaz1
    sillysally
    smithadr
    starlightblue
    Stephen Johnson
    strugglingbutdetermined
    terrytops
    tess44
    tired and fed up
    Trev7
    Victoria Meldrew
    vince
    Wilee Coyote
    woolwich819
    Yorks






    Bill Gordon

    Class Action

    Post by Bill Gordon on Sun 9 Oct 2011 - 14:42

    Yes from me.

    my mother who has dementia/alzheimers is based in Buckinghamshire.

    Bill

    Bill Gordon

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Bill Gordon on Sun 9 Oct 2011 - 14:43

    terrytops wrote:
    patrick11 wrote:The 45 listed members below are those who have pledged to support a Class Action. Any other members who would like to pledge their support for a Class Action. please just leave your user name with no other comments. This is so this thread does not get clogged up. To keep bumping this thread. Just click on the Quote button below bottom right and just add your name under the above list. Stephen a comment from you is now over Due please can you give the members an Update

    Mick

    bodecia2007
    AHLloyd
    ajbwilliam
    all4justice
    avenger
    Beetle
    CJUK
    Delly
    FinnMickey
    fury5081
    greenflamingo
    Helkat
    honeywood
    insomniac
    iwillwincc
    jlm1407
    JOHN
    John Godfrey
    jrey
    katykat
    kensmydad
    Kingdom
    melbee123
    MoleCatcher
    Mr angry
    msmarple
    patrick11
    peterbarnes11
    Racoulter200752
    RogerB
    Serow
    shaz1
    sillysally
    smithadr
    starlightblue
    Stephen Johnson
    strugglingbutdetermined
    terrytops
    tess44
    tired and fed up
    Trev7
    Victoria Meldrew
    vince
    Wilee Coyote
    woolwich819
    Yorks
    Bill Gordon - Buckinhamshire







    Esquires
    Moderator

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Sun 9 Oct 2011 - 17:33

    Several forum members have requested that the time limit for responding to this announcement be extended. It is therefore extended until the end of OCTOBER 2011 by which time I hope to provide further details of progress with the appointment of lawyers etc.
    In the meantime anyone with the time to spare may like to tot up the positive responses thus far and let us all know! Steve.

    Guest
    Guest

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Sun 9 Oct 2011 - 17:52

    47 + yourself, SS = 48. (Based on Bill Gordon's last post!)

    Steve, When you say that by the end of October 2011 you will be in a position to give further information about "the appointment" of lawyers, does that mean that you will be selecting and appointing the lawyers who will engage in the Class Action?

    VM pig


    Esquires
    Moderator

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Sun 9 Oct 2011 - 18:55

    Thanks for your 'totting up' effort Mick! What we want of course is 'Tens of Thousands' - and I am working on it! The current position is that I will be discussing tactics with our own solicitors next week with a view to consulting 'learned counsel' as I imagine that the Action will be in the hands of appropriate chambers and that the instructing solicitors will play a minor role. This is what I shall ascertain at our meeting as at the moment I don't have the answers!
    Nobody should run away with the idea that this will be a 'quick fix'- although when the politicians realise that they are facing a major confrontation they may well indulge in a bit of 'goalpost shifting'!
    For the moment I will continue to use this thread as a reporting point but at the moment there is very little to report although the following observation made on a different thread may be helpful:
    The NHS may well settle an individual claim out of court but it could cost a great deal to reach that point as litigants would normally not be able to recover their costs.
    I doubt that they could settle a 'Class Action' out of court as to do so would entail total capitulation and withdrawal of their 'National Framework' and the associated eligibility criteria and reimbursement of ALL the care costs which patients and their families had been unlawfully compelled to pay!
    'Going it alone' could cost £20,000 - £100.000, perhaps more, but a class action would cost far less as 'legal aid' may be available and in any case 'legal indemnity' insurance (subject to lawyers advice) would minimise individual costs.
    What really infuriates me is the fact we must go through all this nonsense when all we ask is that the NHS be made to obey the law just like the rest of us! Steve.


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    Guest

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Sun 9 Oct 2011 - 20:23

    Esquires wrote:Thanks for your 'totting up' effort Mick! What we want of course is 'Tens of Thousands' - and I am working on it! Steve.


    Steve, you are whistling in the wind (of farting into an oncoming hurricane or worse) if you are misguided enough to think that you will be able to summon up "Tens of Thousands" of supporters for this Class Action.

    So far, fewer than 50 people have expressed an interest .... but many with understandably serious 'reservations' about the lack of information as to what your proposed Class Action entails.

    So I'm out.

    VM pig


    starlightblue

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by starlightblue on Mon 10 Oct 2011 - 16:15

    Class action IS the way forward - however, and with the greatest of respect to Steve, it cannot be organised by just one person - i.e Steve. Especially when at some point money is going to be requested from those wishing to take part. Some sort of committee surely would be needed? If this is handled right, then there will be a LOT of interest.

    I'm not sure that extending this particualr poll to the end of Oct will change much - as only people accessing this site know about it. However, if there were a way of making people outside of this site aware, I have no doubt the votes in favour would come piling in.

    Along with that would be endless questions - in fact the class action would be worthy of a complete section of the website all of it's own.

    I fully support going forward with class action - but - once the poll has finished, if it is to go ahead, then certain things need to happen any one of which could totally take up one persons's time - publicity, research, dealing with the legal people, media, money and accounts, and so much more.

    Steve, you are one person. I do not see how, in amongst all the other day to day stuff you are dealing with, you will have time to front a campaign of this magnitude and expense.

    Do you have in mind the formation of a committee - or people to help?

    John S. Book

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by John S. Book on Tue 11 Oct 2011 - 21:18

    Yes John_S_Book

    John S. Book

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by John S. Book on Tue 11 Oct 2011 - 21:34

    Hi Steve For whatever you have in mind I pledge £500 as a starting point. I know it's not much but its only a start. Cheque in the post
    John_S_book

    Esquires
    Moderator

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Wed 12 Oct 2011 - 10:56

    How the proposed class action will be organised and run can't be determined until I have discussed this with 'learned counsel'. I assume that some sort of committee will be needed but even this presents problems as likely members are scattered throughout the country and choosing an equidistant meeting point is impossible.
    Perhaps a 'virtual committee' is the solution. As supporters must realise, a class action can only be placed before a court by barristers who must clearly be involved from the start. No doubt there are 'rules and procedures' to be followed and I have yet to determine them! Steve.

    strugglingbutdetermined

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by strugglingbutdetermined on Wed 12 Oct 2011 - 17:08

    It may cause Steve problems if people start sending him money too soon - perhaps he could confirm it it is the right thing to do at this point in time.
    SBD

    Esquires
    Moderator

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Sat 15 Oct 2011 - 18:29

    SBD - I had a meeting with my bank manager last thursday who was very interested in the whole nhs 'cost shunting' scam of which she was totally unaware. Because of the complexity and the ramifications of setting up a charity coupled to a 'public interest company' I am taking further advice from my accountant and solicitor and the bank want me to discuss all this with their own specialist director before a dedicated account is opened. In the meantime all donations will be gratefully received and held in an account (separate from my private account) and will be used primarily to defray the cost of setting up the charity and PIC and associated legal and other costs. Steve.

    Guest
    Guest

    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Sat 15 Oct 2011 - 18:52

    Esquires wrote:SBD - I had a meeting with my bank manager last thursday who was very interested in the whole nhs 'cost shunting' scam of which she was totally unaware. Because of the complexity and the ramifications of setting up a charity coupled to a 'public interest company' I am taking further advice from my accountant and solicitor and the bank want me to discuss all this with their own specialist director before a dedicated account is opened. In the meantime all donations will be gratefully received and held in an account (separate from my private account) and will be used primarily to defray the cost of setting up the charity and PIC and associated legal and other costs. Steve.


    Steve, I'm not sure that you can set "up a charity coupled to a 'public interest company'" The two are totally different.

    Meanwhile, it could land you in the shite if you accept "donations" destined to be towards either the "charity" or to the "public interest company" that you envisage.

    Do you mean "Community Interest Company" when you say "public interest company"?

    I think that a charity can convert to become a CIC, (with permission from the Charity Commission) but that charity would then lose its charitable status and the tax advantages that go alongside charitable status.

    And a charity can 'own' a CIC, I seem to remember, and can then pass its assets to the CIC - presumably with the tax advantages that come with charity-status.

    They are two totally different and separate bodies.

    So it's almost a 'chicken and egg' situation.

    If you haven't established a charity, or a CIC, the two can't necessarily work together.

    But you were talking about a "public interest company" - .... so .... over to you, Steve, to explain the difference twixt the two. Or even the three!!

    Meanwhile, could you perhaps explain how you are planning to separate these 'donations' that have already been sent to you, according to recent posts? How should the cheques sent to you be written = made payable to whom? So as to not compromise your own position. Otherwise you could find yourself in the doooooo-dooooo !

    VM pig


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    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Sat 15 Oct 2011 - 19:21

    VM - rest assured that I have taken professional advice on all this and have discussed it with the Office of the charity commissioners.Steve

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    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Guest on Sat 15 Oct 2011 - 19:37

    Esquires wrote:VM - rest assured that I have taken professional advice on all this and have discussed it with the Office of the charity commissioners.Steve


    Steve, I am not likely to rest assured if your professional advice is still referring to 'public interest company'.

    As for the Charity Commission... I'm rendered speechless if the Charity Commission is also referring to 'public interest company' status. Rather than CICs.

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    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by Esquires on Sun 16 Oct 2011 - 12:05

    VM - I Really can't spare the time to get involved in all your 'nit-picking'! I mentioned 'Public Interest Company' because that's what my accountant referred to when I originally discussed this with him over a year ago. Anyone who is interested can download the Community Interest Companies 'Information Pack' here:
    http://www.cicregulator.gov.uk and also check out 'BIS: Department for Business Innovation & Skills'

    I am fully conversant with the relationship and possible merits - or otherwise - of linking a CIC to a registered charity and this will be further explored with the commissioners at the appropriate time.

    Forum members may be interested to know that I established and successfully managed several corporate enterprises throughout the 1960's - '80's offering industrial management consultancy, scientific and technical press and public relations, technical printing and photo-journalism etc. I therefore think that I can claim with some justification to 'know what I am doing'! Steve.

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    Re: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CLASS ACTION TO COMPEL THE NHS TO OBEY THE LAW?

    Post by starlightblue on Sat 29 Oct 2011 - 13:16

    Reminder to anyone who has not yet 'registered' their support for this in this thread.

    Closes at the end of the month!

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